by the way how are sure astrologers are that jupiter gives wisdom and power in life and saturn gives misery when it is badly placed in some sign or some constellation or some cusp or some sub cusp or some other sub sub sub cusp . who has told you guys that saturn will no matter what behave this way ? ok lets say some sages who were super amazing and had some great powers in them like christ, buddha saw it some 2000years ago , and what is the proof that this so called amazing wisdom about saturn , mars and venus is passed on to you and your community is 10000000000% accurate , unadulterated ? neptune , pluto and uranus is simply not taken into consideration in indian vedic astrology , they say they dont matter and if it is so then why not ? the sages dint see that in comming years this planets will be discovered ? and if yes then why dint they predict them that they will be discovered and passed on a message to future genreations that pls that time predict this and this and this according to there nature and so called infulence on human beings ? .
so astrologers blame nodes, saturn, mars, and some bad affilacted venus, and moon or any planet which is the lord of 7th house . while in west uranus and pluto along with this other planets are also bashed up because the poor planets were looking or aspecting or were in your 7 house . and on what grounds you made friendships of sun and mars ? and make a nuclear war like situation between saturn and sun ? why does sun represent father and not uncle ? why is mercury planet of communications? and why pluto is not a planet of romance ? .
antioxidants found in fruits are same in usa, uk, india and africa but just the divorce planet becomes differnt in differnt countries . some say 1 particular type of casting a chart is perfect while others say its not just the house and planets its the constellation that matters . why as a great enlightened community under the guidance and information passed by some highly evolved sages dont come to 1 particular conculsion atleast? maybe because it cant come and will never come because by the time if atall it will come then some new system will be found by some 1 who will say predictions are going wrong manytimes because global warming has made some planets change their mood considering poor earth which is warming up .
enough of all this from my side this was a long long post if no 1 can predict why i wrote so manythings is because my mercury must be quite strong because being a planet of communications and being in an exalted state i t made me just go on and on and on or maybe MR ASTROLOGER can tell exactly if it is mercury , saturn or pluto ?????? what say ?

¨ I general I do not consider modern New Age gurus.¨

TheBlackCat: ¨That is good, at least.¨

Not so fast TBC. With all due respects, we as skeptics, have a duty to consider the claims of any claimant, however pretentious or misguided they may seem. We should also honor the open mindedness of our pretentiously ¨non-new-age¨ counterparts. (or in this case scorn their lack of it). I would rather point out, that Astrologer is swallowing the assumptions of new age BS uncritically and using the same idiotic… (sorry idiosyncratic), terminology hijacking, equivocating and misdirection as any cultivated New Age / BS guru. Just a minor quibble, ´cos I am sure you are only playing devils advocate, and bending over backwards to give concession to what you may see as a minor point, while delivering the sucker punch on another.

¨It reminds me of the demonstration where someone gave horoscopes to every student in a class. Almost the entire class said the horoscope was very accurate. It turns out they were all given the exact same horoscope.¨

Not to mention that the horoscope given, was that of a notorious mass murder, Dr Petiot.. You would think people might want to disown a horoscope, cast as it was, on a life of such… well… horror! Of course, the actual reading, was the same old namby pamby ´juice´, and pseudo-psychological meta twaddle, that all astrologers hand out for gullible ´true believers´. The delicious irony, is that the charlatan frauds of astrology, not only succeeded in in delivering a false positive, in the misplaced agreement of those students, but also they failed to avoid a false negative in the correlation of typical, run of the mill character traits, with astronomical data, cast for an insidiously evil (hardly human) being. What a f…ing joke.

¨Wouldn’t be surprised if the Texas school board decided to cancel science classes altogether.¨

Yeah! Then I suppose the next step, will be to lobotomize the child at birth. I don´t know why they insist on slapping the baby (if they still do that). In the case of creationists, it would be far more appropriate to slap the parents, for even having children in the first place.

Theres a plan hmm? A) Lobotomize your child. B) Teach it that beliefs are primary to reasoning, before the capacity for reason develops. C) keep your child away from all influences that enhance credulity and reasoned acquisition of new information and/or self correction, such as the learning of any critical thinking skills, rational reasoning and intellectual honesty/hygiene. D) Indoctrinate your beliefs into the dear thing, an…. um… er… wait, never mind with the lobotomy step, I just realized it´s totally redundant. There? a far more humane way to achieve the same result in the last three. Can I hear ya say… Hallelujah!!!?

Those parameters are just as valid for your calculations as any other astrological garbage.

A very simple test can be done. Using you and other “astrologers” who are unknown to each other, each can submit their own horoscope based on a profile.

Good luck hitting with any accuracy.

Though we both know there’s no accuracy in it. Confirmation bias does the work to cover up the misses.

Don’t forget to take into account the spacetime distortion cause by those who believe in sentient pickles on the 4th second of the hour in the ascension of Saturn into Uranus.