Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat

A few months ago I released an experiment video explaining how Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth using the shadow of sticks. The method was performed almost two millenia ago, and produced quite accurate results (considering the ‘equipment’ used). But it was far from being the only (or first) method to understand our planet’s shape.

Humanity has known the Earth to be round for a few millenia and I’ve been meaning to refine that video and show more of these methods of how we figured out the world is not flat. I’ve had a few ideas on how to do that, but recently got an interesting incentive, when Phil Plait (The Bad Astronomer) wrote about a recently published BBC article about “The Flat Earth” society. Phil claims it’s ridiculous to even bother rebutting the flat earth society – and I tend to agree. But the history of our species’ intellectual pursuit is important and interesting, and it’s very much well worth writing about. You don’t need to denounce all science and knowledge and believe in a kooky conspiracy theory to enjoy some historical factoids about humanity’s quest for space.

Though I have researched this subject, I am quite certain there will be much more to be said about it – feel free to add more in the comments. If all goes well, this might actually be a good post to refer to whenever anyone wants to discuss a bit of ancient science and the source of cosmological thought.

On we go to the top 10 ways to know the Earth is unequivocally, absolutely, positively, 100% not flat:

(1) The Moon

Now that humanity knows quite positively that the Moon is not a piece of cheese or a playful god, the phenomena that accompany it (from its monthly cycles to lunar eclipses) are well-explained. It was quite a mystery to the ancient Greeks, though, and in their quest for knowledge, they came up with a few insightful observations that helped humanity figure out the shape of our planet.

Aristotle (who made quite a lot of observations about the spherical nature of the Earth) noticed that during lunar eclipses (when the Earth’s orbit places it directly between the Sun and the Moon, creating a shadow in the process), the shadow on the Moon’s surface is round. This shadow is the Earth’s, and it’s a great clue on the spherical shape of the Earth.

Since the earth is rotating (see the “Foucault Pendulum” experiment for a definite proof, if you are doubtful), the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical – absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat.

Refer to the following image from Wikipedia for more details on what happens during a lunar eclipse:

Click for the Original

Click for the Original

(2) Ships and the Horizon

If you’ve been next to a port lately, or just strolled down a beach and stared off vacantly into the horizon, you might have, perhaps, noticed a very interesting phenomenon: approaching ships do not just “appear” out of the horizon (like they should have if the world was flat), but rather emerge from beneath the sea.

But – you say – ships do not submerge and rise up again as they approach our view (except in “Pirates of the Caribbean”, but we are hereby assuming that was a fictitious movie). The reason ships appear as if they “emerge from the waves” is because the world is not flat: it’s round.

Imagine an ant walking along the surface of an orange, into your field of view. If you look at the orange “head on”, you will see the ant’s body slowly rising up from the “horizon”, because of the curvature of the Orange. If you would do that experiment with a long road, the effect would have changed: The ant would have slowly ‘materialized’ into view, depending on how sharp your vision is.

 

(3) Varying Star Constellations

This observation was originally made by Aristotle (384-322 BCE), who declared the Earth was round judging from the different constellations one sees while moving away from the equator.

After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted that “there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained with a round surface, and Aristotle continued and claimed that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.” (De caelo, 298a2-10)

The farther you go from the equator, the farther the ‘known’ constellations go towards the horizon, and are replaced by different stars. This would not have happened if the world was flat:

(4) Shadows and Sticks

If you stick a stick in the [sticky] ground, it will produce a shadow. The shadow moves as time passes (which is the principle for ancient Shadow Clocks). If the world had been flat, then two sticks in different locations would produce the same shadow:

But they don’t. This is because the earth is round, and not flat:

Eratosthenes (276-194 BCE) used this principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth quite accurately. To see this demonstrated, refer to my experiment video about Eratosthenes and the circumference of the earth – “The Earth’s curvature is tasty!“.

(5) Seeing Farther from Higher

Standing in a flat plateau, you look ahead of you towards the horizon. You strain your eyes, then take out your favorite binoculars and stare through them, as far as your eyes (with the help of the binocular lenses) can see.

Then, you climb up the closest tree – the higher the better, just be careful not to drop those binoculars and break their lenses. You then look again, strain your eyes, stare through the binoculars out to the horizon.

The higher up you are the farther you will see. Usually, we tend to relate this to Earthly obstacles, like the fact we have houses or other trees obstructing our vision on the ground, and climbing upwards we have a clear view, but that’s not the true reason. Even if you would have a completely clear plateau with no obstacles between you and the horizon, you would see much farther from greater height than you would on the ground.

This phenomena is caused by the curvature of the Earth as well, and would not happen if the Earth was flat:

(6) Ride a Plane

If you’ve ever taken a trip out of the country, specifically long-destination trips, you could notice two interesting facts about planes and the Earth:

  • Planes can travel in a relatively straight line a very long time and not fall off any edges. They can also, theoretically (and some do, though with stops along the way), circle the earth.
    Correction (Courtesy of Klaynos, from scienceforums.net): Apparently, planes can circle the Earth without stopping!
  • If you look out the window on a trans-Atlantic flight, you can, most of the times, see the curvature of the earth in the horizon. The best view of the curvature used to be on the Concorde, but that plane’s long gone. I can’t wait seeing the pictures from the new plane by “Virgin Galactic” – the horizon should look absolutely curved, as it actually is from a distance.

(A picture of the curved horizon from a Concorde plane can be seen here).

(7) Look at Other Planets

The Earth is different from other planets, that much is true. After all, we have life, and we haven’t found any other planets with life (yet). However, there are certain characteristics all planets have, and it will be quite logical to assume that if all planets behave a certain way, or show certain characteristics – specifically if those planets are in different places or were created under different circumstances – our planet is the same.

In other words: If so many planets that were created in different locations and under different circumstances show the same property, it’s likely that our own planet has the same property as well. All of our observations show planets are spherical (and since we know how they’re created, it’s also obvious why they are taking this shape). Unless we have a very good reason to think otherwise (which we don’t), our planet is very likely the same.

In 1610, Galileo Galilei observed the moons of Jupiter rotating around it (click here to see a beautiful video reconstruction of his observations). He described them as small planets orbiting a larger planet – a description (and observation) that was very difficult for the church to accept as it followed a geocentric model where everything was supposed to revolve around the Earth. This observation also showed that the planets (Jupiter, Neptune, and later Venus was observed too) are all spherical, and all orbit the sun.

A flat planet (ours or any other planet) would be such an incredible observation that it would pretty much go against everything we know about how planets form and behave. It would not only change everything we know about planet formation, but also about star formation (as our sun would have to behave quite differently to accustom a “flat earth” theory), what we know of speeds and movements in space (like planets orbits, and the effects of gravity, etc). In short, we don’t just suspect that our planet is spherical. We know it.

(8) The Existence of Timezones

The time in New York, at the moment these words are written, is 12:00pm. The sun is in the middle of the sky (though it’s hard to see with the current cloud coverage). In Beijing, where Michael Phelps is likely getting ready for yet another gold medal, it’s 12:00am, midnight, and the sun is nowhere to be found.

In Adelaide, Australia, it is 1:30am. More than 13 hours ahead. There, the sunset is long gone – so much so, that it’s soon going to rise up again in the beginning of a new day. Here’s a list showing what time it is around the world when it is 12:00pm in New York city.

This can only be explained if the world is round, and rotating around its own axis. At a certain point when the sun is shining on one part of the Earth, the opposite side is dark, and vise versa. That allows for time differences and timezones, specifically ones that are larger than 12 hours.

Another point concerning timezones, the sun and flat/spherical Earth: If the sun was a “spotlight” (very directionally located so that light only shines on a specific location) and the world was flat, we would have seen the sun even if it didn’t shine on top of us (as you can see in the drawing below). The same way you can see the light coming out of a spotlight on a stage in the theater, even though you – the crowd – are in the dark. The only way to create two distinctly separate timezones, where there is complete darkness in one while there’s light in the other, is if the world is spherical.

(9) The Center of Gravity

There’s an interesting fact about mass: it attracts things to it. The force of attraction (gravity) between two objects depends on their mass and the distance between them. Simply said, gravity will pull toward the center of mass of the objects. To find the center of mass, you have to examine the object.

Consider a sphere. Since a sphere has a consistent shape, no matter where on it you stand, you have exactly the same amount of sphere under you. Imagine an ant (perhaps the same one from the previous point) walking around on a crystal ball. Assuming the crystal ball is polished, the ant’s only indication of movement would be the fact it’s moving its feet. The scenery (and shape of the surface) would not change at all.

Consider a flat plane. The center of mass of a flat plane is in its center (more or less – if you want to be more accurate, feel free to do the entire [shriek] integration [shriek] process), and the force of gravity will pull a person toward the middle of the plain. That means that if you stand on the edge of the plane, gravity will be pulling you toward the middle, not straight down like you usually experience.

I am quite positive that even for Australians an apple falls downwards, but if you have your doubts, I urge you to try it out – just make sure it’s nothing that can break or hurt you. Just in case gravity is consistent after all.

Further reading about the center of mass and about distribution of mass can be found here. And if you are brave enough to handle some equations (not involving integration), you can learn some more about Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation.

(10) Images from Space

In the past 60 years of the space exploration era of humanity’s history, we’ve launched satellites, probes and people to space. Some of them got back, some of them still float through the solar system (and almost beyond it) and transmit amazing images over to our receivers on Earth.

Here’s a list of some of the pictures we’ve seen from space throughout the years:

October 24, 1946: A group of scientists in the New Mexico desert saw the first grainy photo of the Earth. The photograph was taken from a height of 65 miles (104.6 kilometers) by a 35-millimeter motion picture camera riding on a V-2 missile.

August 14, 1959: First crude photo of the Earth from the Explorer VI satellite. The photo showed a sun-lit area of the Pacific ocean and cloud coverage. It was taken from about 17,000 miles (27,350 kilometers) above the surface.

(Image Courtesy of the NASA GRIN Website)

June 5, 1966: Astronaut Eugene Cernan took this amazing picture of Gemini 9 and the Earth during his EVA (Extravehicular Activity). The spacecraft itself and Cernan’s “umbilical” (the cord that keeps him connected to the spacecraft’s systems) are visible on top of a beautiful background of the Earth.
(Image Courtesy of the NASA GRIN Website)

August 23, 1966: First view of Earth from the Moon. This picture was taken by Lunar Orbiter I when the spacecraft was on its 16th orbit and was just about to pass behind the Moon. (Image Courtesy of the NASA GRIN Website)

December 29, 1966: A spectacular view of the rising Earth from the Moon, taken by the crew of Apollo 8 after coming out from the other side of the Moon, approximately 239,000 miles (384,000 kilometers) from Earth.

(Image Courtesy of the NASA GRIN Website)

December 1, 1968: Photo of Earth from Apollo 8. This photograph was taken by an 80-mm lense, at a point very close to the Moon.

(Image Courtesy of the NASA GRIN Website)

More pictures from the NASA Missions throughout the years can be found at NASA GRIN Website: http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/index.html

Brief List of Manned Missions to Space

In the past 60 years humanity’s quest for Space has produced hundreds of pictures, videos and audio records from more than just the United States. Some of these countries used to be enemies. Some still are. The amount of proofs, from opposing countries and ‘sides’, for the non-flatness of the Earth, if nothing else, should cast serious doubt on any possibility for the existance of “Global Conspiracy”. Here is an abbreviated list of some of the first missions to space:

  • April 12, 1961 (USSR; Vostok-1): Yuri Gagarin, becomes first man in space.
  • May 5, 1961 (USA; Mercury-3): Alan Shepard becomes first American in space.
  • July 21, 1961 (USA; Mercury-4): Gus Grissom performs the second sub-orbital flight at an altitude of 126 miles (203 kilometers).
  • August 6, 1961 (USSR; Vostok-2): Gherman Titov becomes the first man to spend an entire day in space.
  • February 20, 1962 (USA; Mercury-6): John Glenn orbits the Earth at a distance of 100-162 miles (161-261 kilometers).
  • May 24, 1962 (USA; Mercury-7): Scott Carpenter orbits the Earth three times.
  • August 11, 1962 (USSR; Vostok-3): Andrian Nikolayev leads the first four-day flight, and first “group” flight with Vostok-4.
  • August 12, 1962 (USSR; Vostok-4): Pavel Popovich mans the other half of the “group” flight with Vostok-4.
  • October 3, 1962 (USA; Mercury-8): Walter Schirra orbits the Earth six times.
  • May 15, 1963 (USA; Mercury-9): Gordon Cooper pilots the longest (and last) Mercury mission, lasting 34 hours in space.
  • June 14, 1963 (USSR; Vostok-5): Valery Bykovsky is the first to stay 5 days in space.
  • June 16, 1963 (USSR, Vostok-6): Valentina Tereshkova becomes the first woman in space, spending three days in orbit.

You can find a full list of the chronology of manned space missions at the University Corporation for Atmospheric Research.

More Methods Throughout History

  • Abu Rayhan Biruni (sometimes known as “The Father of Geodesy“), has managed to calculate the circumference of the Earth using complex triangulation equations. I couldn’t find the actual calculation, or the method, so I can’t judge it this as a relatively easy “DIY” way to do it, but it’s still worth mentioning. If anyone has any more information about the method used, do post in the comments.
  • Bedford Level Experiment: At the Bedford river in Norfolk, England. The experiments were done initially in order to prove that the Earth is flat. Though the first results of this experiment seemed to agree with the flat-earth contention, later attempts to repeat this experiment agreed with the fact that the Earth is, in fact, spherical.
  • A Bit of History: Neil Armstrong narrating this video of the Earth as viewed from the Apollo 11 Command Module on its way to the Moon.

Credits and Thanks

This is a very long post, but it was fun to write (and learn about!). There is some credit due to other people, and I am not one to hold out the cheers:

  • Klaynos, from scienceforums, for his Physics mastery late at night.
  • insane_alien from scienceforums, for directing me on the path of a good #9.
  • Cap’n Refsmmat from scienceforums, for clarity issues, physics help, and saving you (the reader) some of my ramblings.
  • Keren, for her editorial help and general (good) advice.
  • Daniel and KerenG, for their mental and grammatical support.

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164 comments
ransomovitch
ransomovitch

OK globers two simple questions, firstly, do you actually believe nasa lost or taped over the original Apollo 11 moon landing footage - the greatest (hahaha) achievement in aviation history? If you do, you are only lying to yourself. Secondly, why do the ISS astro girls need to perm their hair upwards to make it look like they're floating in 0 g? I am NOT going to provide the youtube links that show this is easily the case, and do you know why? Because YOU yes YOU readers are responsible for your own journey to truth in this life. It's not a case of he said, she said, they said. the responsibility for that journey is yours and YOURS alone. If you do undertake this little piece of homework for yourselves, you will start a journey that will take you down a rabbit hole you will eventually thank God HE led you down and out the other side into a freedom you didn't know existed. Nuff said

ransomovitch
ransomovitch

No my friend, I've done my journey on round earth flat earth, you are just reacting from the hip, you haven't travelled any distance at all on this road, tha t is so easy to tell, therefore, I am not taking a horse to water just to watch it stand there mock and not drink, this is your journey, I have discharged my duty.

Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@ransomovitch
What do either of these questions have to do with the earth being round?

If you have a hypothesis about the shape of the earth, you should be able to provide
1) Evidence that the current model is flawed (has things it fails to explain)
2) Predictions that would necessarily arise from your own model which can be tested
3) The results of the tests proposed in (2), which support your claim



This is how science works - the model that holds up the best under scrutiny, and which proves the most successful at making predictions, wins. Using the round earth model, we can successfully predict wind patterns, celestial body positions, plane flight paths, and even send things into orbit, such as GPS satellites.

If you don't believe the evidence people present, you're free to reject it - but if you want to convince people that the earth is flat, you need to provide substantial evidence that the prevailing model is flawed - has things it fails explain - and that your model succeeds when the old one fails.

It's a tall order, but as you said, you are responsible for your own journey.

Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@ransomovitch
You're free to refuse to support your position - just know that you have no grounds to complain when the rest of society continues to believe that the earth is round. Like I said: science is open to new models, but it's not going to change unless it's given evidence.

sandstroma
sandstroma

A lot of this is in contention in recent years... things we've just accepted and not gone out to test for ourselves. And I really can't trust anything nasa gives us these days. They've proven to be habitual and chronic liars. And there's too much for them to lose if it was proven the earth is flat. All of your points have a counter-argument and you assume that only your globe earth model can account for phenomenon such as time zones and different shadows.


It's a lot to take in... it's initially impossible to think of another way the world could work.. it's been beaten into us so hard.. I came here hoping to finally see something that would disprove the flat earth, but you have disappointed me with your lack of research and your lackadaisical attitude. You, sir, have wasted everyone's time with information questioners have seen a thousand times over before even wondering. Before you assume that we're only questioning because we're ignorant buffoons, take the time to do some research you self-absorbed douche bag.

Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@sandstroma
"They've proven to be habitual and chronic liars."
Citation please.

I will copy and paste directly from my first post in response to yours:

If you have a hypothesis about the shape of the earth, you should be able to provide
1) Evidence that the current model is flawed (has things it fails to explain)
2) Predictions that would necessarily arise from your own model which can be tested
3) The results of the tests proposed in (2), which support your claim



This is how science works - the model that holds up the best under scrutiny, and which proves the most successful at making predictions, wins. Using the round earth model, we can successfully predict wind patterns, celestial body positions, plane flight paths, and even send things into orbit, such as GPS satellites.

If you don't believe the evidence people present, you're free to reject it - but if you want to convince people that the earth is flat, you need to provide substantial evidence that the prevailing model is flawed - has things it fails explain - and that your model succeeds when the old one fails.

Missemy
Missemy

Granted, it's a lot to take in. To even accept the possibility that they've been lying to us our whole lives is daunting. But to just regurgitate what NASA has taught is is relying on what the world says. Remember, were not supposed to be of the world.

Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@Missemy
NASA doesn't have a monopoly on all knowledge pertaining to the shape of the earth. They're just well-known for being one of the first two entities for successfully reach space and conducting a huge amount of research about our planet.

To re-paste my first post:

If you have a hypothesis about the shape of the earth, you should be able to provide
1) Evidence that the current model is flawed (has things it fails to explain)
2) Predictions that would necessarily arise from your own model which can be tested
3) The results of the tests proposed in (2), which support your claim



This is how science works - the model that holds up the best under scrutiny, and which proves the most successful at making predictions, wins. Using the round earth model, we can successfully predict wind patterns, celestial body positions, plane flight paths, and even send things into orbit, such as GPS satellites, among a myriad of other things.

If you don't believe the evidence people present, you're free to reject it - but if you want to convince people that the earth is flat, you need to provide substantial evidence that the prevailing model is flawed - has things it fails explain - and that your model succeeds when the old one fails.

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

Who can believe anything put out by the government controlled nasa program that's like a black hole of money when I / the moon landings has been proven fake 2/ you can see bubbles on most of their space walks 3/ they have never shown us a real picture of earth from space never it's always the same cgi bull everytime and I can keep going but you get my point

Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@Jason Clark

NASA doesn't have a monopoly on all knowledge pertaining to the shape of the earth. They're just well-known for being one of the first two entities for successfully reach space and conducting a huge amount of research about our planet.

If you have a hypothesis about the shape of the earth, you should be able to provide
1) Evidence that the current model is flawed (has things it fails to explain)
2) Predictions that would necessarily arise from your own model which can be tested
3) The results of the tests proposed in (2), which support your claim



This is how science works - the model that holds up the best under scrutiny, and which proves the most successful at making predictions, wins. Using the round earth model, we can successfully predict wind patterns, celestial body positions, plane flight paths, and even send things into orbit, such as GPS satellites, among a myriad of other things.

If you don't believe the evidence people present, you're free to reject it - but if you want to convince people that the earth is flat, you need to provide substantial evidence that the prevailing model is flawed - has things it fails explain - and that your model succeeds when the old one fails.

aiam62
aiam62

Not flat not round somewhere between the two

Neobrio
Neobrio

Ok if the earth is flat

1. How come we see sunrises and sunsets?

2. We have so much technology why nobody from the flat earth society didn't take a plane or a boat to show us the end of the flat earth

3. How come you can see satellites orbiting the earth

4. What keeps your flat earth together

5. Why is hotter at Equator than Tropics

6. How do you explain the seasons

7. If the earth is flat and more than 70 % is water when you have a tsunami we should tip over?

angusbundy
angusbundy

A disc shaped earth would not be plausible with what we know about gravity.

DavidKo1
DavidKo1

same like #5.... wtf is if i look at a flat table at its "level" i can see just a little part of the table if i go up it will expand. SRSLY :D who wrote this shit :D


Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@DavidKo1
It's saying you can literally see things when you go up that you couldn't see from the ground. they even drew pictures.

DavidKo1
DavidKo1

#4 is one of the dumbest things i ever heard and back to this i think all the statistics and facts are just fucking ridicoulus and not well researched. it just made me laugh that a person thinks shadows must be euqal only cause earth is flat, it relates on the light source and where it is. just a dumb fact like this article. SHOW ME 1 HORIZON , I DONT CARE HOW HIGH IN SPACE OR DEEP IN EARTH OR WHERE EVER YOU ARE , THAT IS CURVED. SHOW IT TO ME PLEASE....
and please dont show me any NASA or GOVERMENT pictures. failers


Dwarfdeaths
Dwarfdeaths

@DavidKo1
You know SpaceX is a private company, right? Watch one of their launch videos if you don't trust "teh government"

Also, weather balloons get pretty high too. The attached picture is one taken from the Iowa high altitude balloon project.
www.ihabproject.com

DouglasofAvalon
DouglasofAvalon

@Dwarfdeaths @DavidKo1 hahahaha, what a joke. that's NOT a picture, it's a composite image.  NASA is still using the SAME 2 composite images from Apollo 11 that are over 40 years old. gimme a break you loony tune!

owenredeyedsquid
owenredeyedsquid

Every one who thinks the earth is flat soon some company will let you go to space in a weather balloon. If you go on it you will have proof the earth is round.

jacqueszupp
jacqueszupp

No round earther has answered the question about the strange routes planes take in the southern hemisphere on planefinder, totally going out of their way but on a flat earth model the routes they take are direct and make sense. They can not answer why planes disappear or reappear in this area too, like they are hiding their tracks.

maulotaur
maulotaur

@jacqueszupp They can't answer a lot of things, not just planes.  The information claimed is based on false assumptions, fake pictures and myths that do not correspond with real-world test results while ignoring many other possible explanations.  The whole bottom half of the article about space is no way for anyone to know anything - pictures and claims issued by a government operation...

slymonster
slymonster

@jacqueszupp Planes disappear and reappear in that area because of a lack of radar which are used to track planes.  Many planes tend to take indirect routes over oceans to stay close to land in case there is an issue with the plane.
There you go. Answered.

vanessazephyr
vanessazephyr

Ive said all i need to. You are obviously an insider. If not go resesrch and question like all of us are doing. Instead of patronizing and twistingg semantics even further.

sprvlln
sprvlln

 I would totally be sold if they could create an earth model in a closed environment where water is held on a sphere.

Proving Science
Proving Science

@sprvlln that is something people who believe in the sphere model don't take ino account. The amount of water the spinning sphere is holding. 

Proving Science
Proving Science

(2) That's a great idea with the ships and the horizon. School kids can watch ships disappear into the horizon in front of the superior mirage that is the Chicago Skyline. CHEERS 

atedude
atedude

the only thing i would like to say about the flat earth, is i never seen a video of the earth rotating with independent cloud movement. i guess NASA feel that storm never move they just stay with the land mass.

maulotaur
maulotaur

@atedude That is because you have never seen a video of the earth rotating - doesn't exit.

maulotaur
maulotaur

Notice how they start with false assumptions like saying that people have known it is round for thousands of years (lies), setting up the rest of the deception.

AndrewMorgan3
AndrewMorgan3

@maulotaur Actually, they have know for thousands of years. The book of Isaiah, written 700 years before Christ, talks about the circle of the earth.

Proving Science
Proving Science

@maulotaur people have always know the earth is round. A spinning sphere travelling through 

outer space around the sun is something totally different and asking Nasa to prove the impossible is moronic. They have already so many 

Missemy
Missemy

Circle is NOT a sphere.

coz3001
coz3001

Ask the liars why they lie.  NASA's origins are NAZI so that's enough to question everything about that great American institution.  Compartmentalization, big salaries, threat of 20 year prison terms, there are all kinds of reason that people at the top lie or go along with a lie.  And yes, if you've been caught lying enough times, then a logical assumption for an honest person to make is that you're lying all the time.

Photograph the curve, and post the photo.

Ever hear of the Salt Flats in Utah?  You can see from one end to the other and that 12 miles, each end should be 1152 miles below the other, but it's not, it's flat, no curvature whatsoever.

Forget trusting some agency and look for yourself.  It's an incredible thought, but if you can find a curve then it's just not round.  The curve should be obvious everywhere you look if it's there, and based on the numbers they've given us it can be calculated.  Where is it?  The only place there is a curve is in computer generated images provided to us by a gov't agency founded by Nazi's.  

But, the flat earth is right out your window and easily seen so.  Not to mention thousands of photographs online of things taken from impossible distances if the earth had a curve.  

This is one of those moment when a person must choose to either accept the evidence before their eyes, or continue to be comforted by the lie the gov't that raised you has told you.


99.9% are not strong enough to face the truth and take the Blue pill and live a life of delusion.  I feel no comfort in being part of the willfully and blissfully ignorant majority. 

JoeBlythe
JoeBlythe

@coz3001 Have you ever been on an airplane or climbed a small mountain (doesn't even have to be that high, just a few hundred feet)? The proof is in the pudding. The Earth is indeed a sphere. You can see the massive curve on the horizon. Sure, there may be places on earth that are flatter than others, but our Earth is A LOT bigger than 12 miles, and it all adds up to one big spherical shape. Have you ever taken science classes or read a science book? Physics? Anything? I mean, all the indisputable proof above and you still believe the Earth is flat?! I once took a picture from the top of Mount McKay in Thunder Bay Ontario. It shows the curve. I will try to find it and post it.

vanessazephyr
vanessazephyr

No sorry. Youre hallucinating. My boyfriend has pictures hundreds of feet in the air. He used to climb and fix cellnphone towers. No curve. Even without the pics its obvious. There is no curvature. And this person who wrote this crap is just regurgitating NAZI NASA bull. I lived in miami florida and moved up north... The ships dont come from a curve. You can actually see a ship full on from about 30 miles away with binoculars. They just get smaller. You look at the horizon on a setting sun and take out binoculars and it wont look like its setting. And the stick experiment. Really??? Lmfao just look an ancient sundials that are still accurate, the north pole is fixed, and the constellations never get mixed up.

If we are trut hurling through space around the sun, and the sun around the galaxy at billions of mph then there would be change. And so sorry but you cant deny the laws of gravity and centrifugal force to fit your argument. You cannot explain the gravitron ride on a spinning earth. The atmosphere does not spin with the earth at 1500mph. This is ridiculous.

TomPayton
TomPayton

@vanessazephyr I just want to know WHY the big lie?  WHY are we being told the Earth is round, everything is moving, spinning and revolving, gravity, and all the rest.  I understand the reasons WHY NASA would lie about the Moon Landings, but cannot understand WHY they and many scientists and scholars through out history would engage in such a super-lie.


vanessazephyr
vanessazephyr

That's actually easier to explain. There ar endless reasons. They want us to be powerless. We manifest our reality and they want to suppress us of that. These scholars and rocket scientists are nazis. Thats it. There is no more or less "experts". They are all regurgitating the same thing. Its half truths thats poisoning this world. They had to lie about the moon landings. And when they found out about the dome supposedly they sent a crapload of nukes into the sky. They opened a "window" to heaven and apparently the rift is a crack in it. Im on the fence with a lot of this. Im still processing everythig to find out whats really going on. I believe they are planningn some kind of invasion type thing and making it look like "aliens". Its problem reaction solution to the new world order. Now there are a lot more reasons and you have to know the human power to truly understand. Theyve been suppressing us for too long with religion and diseases and we constantly give away our power. Maybe this is a machine and we are the gears. We are biolgical robots in a way but cannot be controlled unless we give them permission. We all fund our own deaths. I believe in other dimensions and think that we are literally in some sort of machine... Think about it, the "invaders" were here first and created this system after destroying whatever other life was here before. Maybe the native teachings are literal? Now if you create a world type system, wouldnt it be plausible that everything would be made to their liking? Fbi protocol, private banksters, mortgages and stock markets etc. It all favors them. So for them to create nasa out of thin air and higher guppies who are trained to be compartmentalized then its safe to assume a lot of them dont know what theyre doing...

Boo Long
Boo Long

@vanessazephyr    The earth rotates at 0.0007rpm...   Centrifugal force at such slow speed is negligible.
I know the earth is an approximate sphere rotating at this speed from my own observations..  Not because scientists told me so.

TomPayton
TomPayton

@sprvlln @TomPayton @vanessazephyr Yes it does.  The moon orbits the Earth once every 27.322 days. It also takes approximately 27 days for the moon to rotate once on its axis. As a result, the moon does not seem to be spinning but appears to observers from Earth to be keeping almost perfectly still. Scientists call this sychronous rotation.

ransomovitch
ransomovitch

@vanessazephyr hello vannessa well done, ypuve started a journey that will have you realise we are created by an amazing God

DouglasofAvalon
DouglasofAvalon

@JoeBlythe @coz3001  The ONLY way a photo of the horizon will "exhibit" a curve is by using a fisheye lens.  There is NO curvature visible even from over 70 miles up and an amateur rocketeer set a world record proving that as fact. You globers are gonna lose this one hands down. Science books are literally full of bullshit which is why you want to think you know the earth is a globe.  It's nice to think of it that way but your "sphere" of influence diminished rapidly when you mentioned something about science classes....

DouglasofAvalon
DouglasofAvalon

@TomPayton @vanessazephyr Because if you have no clue what the truth is, you have no idea what you are doing. It's mind control. Have we EVER seen pictures of a fully mapped antarctica on google earth? hmmmm, nope.  Why? Because the government's of the world and NATO, UN and the like don't want you to know what is there.  The Antarctic circle is indeed a circular body of ice that is about 100 miles wide according to older maps.  Let's see some aerial photos of the Antarctic...oh, there are none.  Are you kidding me???  That makes zero sense. Just about as much sense as to why there are only 2 photos of the earth taken from space and they are both over 40 years old and taken on the alleged Apollo missions.


Houston, we have a problem.  And btw way, there are way more lies you don't even know about yet.  The entire world of commerce is fiction as well and the "currency" used by the banks as money is nothing mre than fancy Monopoly money.  You are living in a matrix and simply can't see beyond what your mind has perceived as true.  We atre literally surrounded by lies and the bottom line is that it keeps you enslaved. The easiest way to enslave a population is to make them "believe" they are free.

DouglasofAvalon
DouglasofAvalon

@sprvlln @TomPayton @vanessazephyr That's right...it's nothing but a mixture of dense gas...and it's often transclucent if you watch close enough during the first or last phase phase of the lunar cycle. You do need a good telescope or large set of binoculars.

TomPayton
TomPayton

@DouglasofAvalon @TomPayton @vanessazephyr Oh I have a clue.  I agree with your Monopoly money idea, and fully agree with "The easiest way to enslave a population is to make them "believe" they are free.".  I know there are MANY lies we ALL are being told. I am still researching some of this other stuff; but you can't blame me for being skeptical of a Flat Earth.  Most of these Flat Earther's wanna get all upset and start name calling and belittling, which totally takes away from even wanting to research.  Keep the posts coming!


ChrisToulan
ChrisToulan

@TomPayton I'm still skeptical as well.. but doing some research into the Masons/Illuminati, things do add up in a very different manor.. I don't know how you identify Religiously/Spiritually.. but after growing up Catholic, I spent most of my life Atheist and have recently been rediscovering my faith in Christianity.. One reason is it seems like the "Book of Revelation" is currently coming true, the other is the information I have recently read about these two interwoven secret societies.. Much of what is available about the Free Masons and Illuminati in modern time seems to relate to members that are Global Bankers and Political Figures, along with some older Public Figures in Media.Entertainment.. But researching the history of these groups and I discover that the original members of the Masons/Illuminati were also many early Scientists, like Galileo, even Darwin had connections.. Many other people that formed the foundation of EVERYTHING our current science is based on.. These men were quoted as being interested in "being enlightened/illuminated".. The other interesting thing about the Illuminati/Masons is that they (at least symbolically) have had this unbelievable infatuation with representations of Apollo who in Greek/Roman mythology; along with being the God of music, was also the "bringer of light".. just like RA the Sun God in Egyptian Mythology (represented by the pyramid and all seeing illuminated eye that you always see).. also much like Lucifer, the "Angel of music and bringer of light", who was a fallen Angel in Christianity, who was also known as our Biblical Satan/The Devil.. The fact that the Illuminati/Masons had (at least symbolically) this infatuation with "Lucifer" and also had a tumultuous relationship with Christianity.. leaves the door open for me to look into these preconceived foundation for which our science is based on and wonder if The Illuminati really has survived this long.. and if from the shadows, they really have been influencing everything from our Government, to our Entertainment, to the science we've spent our lives learning, in their battle against Christianity.. As strange as it sounds, from what I've researched about "the Illuminati", they seem like and equal and exact opposite to Christianity.. from their beliefs, to the symbols they choose to represent them.. I'm not saying that they worship Satan, but it seems that they have paid him some serious tribute throughout history

Missemy
Missemy

Because they are hiding God.

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